The Parkland Paroxysm

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Melvin Udall
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The fool-proof way has yet to

The fool-proof way has yet to be invented, because as long as humans are an element of the "solution," human error/failure will be part of the package.

Mike G
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Mainemom

Mainemom no TSA

The hell with that, as if the TSA has done jack shit, and what message does that send to our future, bend over and take it.

They want them they can come and take them. Turning America into a fascist state is not going to solve anything, it will only make it worse.

And when they come and take them then it will be civil war and that is not a bad thing considering how screwed up this country is.

The FBI misses another one. I'd say some of these shootings have been not stopped, because the government wants exactly the reaction that is presently occurring.

Its for the children, exactly a disarmed and subservient slave class, willing going down to the cattle cars.

How does that saying go, the roots of the tree of liberty needs to be fed with the blood of tyrants and patriots from time to time.

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There seems to be more to

There seems to be more to this story.
A lot more.
Broward and Miami-Dade counties have pursued a plan of action, championed by our former president Obama, to lower the crime rate in those counties by turning many enforcement actions over to the county school boards, who do, basically, nothing.
Trayvon Martin, (remember "If I had a son, Trayvon?), along with Nicklaus Cruz are products of this flawed system.
That's why Cruz wasn't punished, or even reported by the school for what went on leading up to the shootings.
Trayvon Martin was caught numerous times thieving, stealing, and doping, and the school board did nothing, going as far as covering up evidence in a robbery "little" Trayvon committed.
If Nikolas Cruz had been arrested for his prior criminal behavior he would not have passed a background check for a firearm purchase.  The issue was/is not the background check; the issue was/is the lack of a prior arrest. 

School Shooting Was Outcome of Broward County School Board Policy
In 2012 and 2013 while doing research into the Trayvon Martin shooting we discovered an alarming set of school policies being enacted in Miami-Dade and Broward County Florida.  The policies were called “diversionary programs” and were essentially about stopping High School students from being arrested. Law enforcement was instructed to avoid arrests and defer criminal conduct to school administrators.
Students who engaged in violence, drug sales, robberies, burglaries, theft and other various crimes were intentionally kept out of the criminal justice system.  County administrators and School Superintendents told local and county law enforcement officers to stop arresting students.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/19/school-shooting-was-outc...

Obama, in his arrogant, all knowing quest for black equality directed these county sheriffs departments to lower black crime statistics, not by better enforcement, but by intentionally overlooking crimes committed.
Of course, when you overlook one transgression, the perps, in this case, children, will continue pushing the envelope until something like this tragedy occurs.

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Diversionary programs ?Why do

Diversionary programs ?Why do you think juvenile incarceration has dropped from over a hundred (we close one facility Charleston)
to 60 in So.Portland. All the same just different means in a different state.

Mike G
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Again can you imagine if that

Again can you imagine if that criminal bitch Hiliary and her criminal organs were not stopped in partial. Meaning the corporate media by and with US billionaires that live in gated communities and mostly not even in the US. I'm sure these wondrous gun control advocates would gladly enroll their children in a local controlled school.

Naw This is all BS, what these elite want is to disarm the American public so when their central bank Ponzi scheme shits the bed they won't have to have as many bullets whizzing around their security's head.

I mean who can blame them, they think they can just fly off to Mars on Musk's super-heavy spaceshot.

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I mean who can blame them,

I mean who can blame them, they think they can just fly off to Mars on Musk's super-heavy spaceshot.

If only !

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I don’t know how many here

I don’t know how many here may have listened to the president’s listening session with school shooting victims and their families,it was poignant to say the least. I was impressed with the tone and content overall.And I was surprised of how many called for better pre recognition of potential shooters and intervention than out right bans on guns or more stringent gun control laws,there were some but not in the majority. More security at our schools and for students enroute to and from school......A lot of talk about raising the age of purchase to 21 and extended waiting periods.......better background checks,I’m not sure what that would entail. There was not much talk about stricter enforcement of existing laws or any talk about focus on the illegal gun trade....Personally I don’t own an AR 15,don’t need one,but I don’t think Others should be in a position to deny competent and law abiding citizens from owning one.I thought those focused on the AR miss the point that a person with a couple of semi auto 45 anda knapsackfull of clips could do as much harm .Mytake way from all of this is IF the politicians on both sides would shut up and listen,think ,mediate and agree they could make things safer in our schools and on the streets without demonizing or stripping people of their rights to own firearms of their choice.......Like I said the speakers were poignant......ps I know this didn’t rise to the level of Obama’s beer summit...but Trump was trying....

Bruce Libby
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TSA.

TSA.
Gun ownership.
Travel on airlines.

Number of prohibited firearms seized from luggage.
Most frequent excuse ," forget it was there " !

Now what does that say about responsible firearm ownership ?

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Bruce maybe those folks ought

Bruce maybe those folks ought to read Air Travel For Dummies......a beginners guide to not having your shit confiscated.....

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I agree johnw, but I was

I agree johnw, but I was responding to Mike more specifically.

But they don't in significant numbers !

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Here is an article that is an

Here is an article that is an attack on the emotional circus that has been stirred up for more than a week. Cool reason is difficult to achieve partly because there are few actual facts presented in the press. Here is an article that lays out facts about school shootings and other shootings that are promoters of rationality.

http://americangunnews.com/destroying-the-claim-theres-been-18-school-sh...

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It does not help that they

It does not help that they routinely lie about the numbers. How can you trust any compromise if all you get are lies and euphemisms? The truth is they want it all their way, and any compromise will simply be the starting point for the next round. All you have to do is look at helmet laws, seatbelt laws, and so forth to see the pattern. Dishonest negotiation, simply put.

Mike G
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https://www.realclearpolitics

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/22/nras_loesch_i_wouldnt...

It's a cultural revolution, I tells ya, and the presstitutes and Politicians and the mindless red book wavers are battling the deplorables in their own warped delusional minds. The idea that Americans would allow these misfits and children disarm us is laughable. America is sitting on 22 trillion dollars of debt that is unpayable, 222 trillion of future mandates and the shit will hit the fan sooner than later and we are going to just gladly disarm so some stoopid children and their socialist air head teachers can feel good for 2 months.

Not bloody likely! We are lucky in America that we aren't in Europe and haven't had to sustain the influx of refugees/foreigners there. We are lucky to be in Maine and have some remaining social values but it is quickly waning. As ugene said this decay is part of the socialism that has been supported by the Clintonistas for lack of a better word. Society is breeding monsters and they expect us to disarm so we are completely at their mercy.

Just say no.

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Giving in to liberals is just

Giving in to liberals is just like giving a potato chip to your dog.
The dog's like:
"Can I have a chip, boss?
"Please, boss."
"Just one, boss."
So you give him one and he's like:
"Can I have a chip, boss?"
"Please, boss."
"Just one, boss."

Until the whole bag is gone.

Not just "NO", but "HELL NO".

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Maybe the anti gunner would

Maybe the anti gunner would feel safer if they could just sew a yellow star on every gun owners coat..........and tattoo a registration number on their fore arm......commonsense stuff you know....

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In the eighteenth century

In the eighteenth century anything with a rifled barreled was an assault rifle; in the 1860s the lever action rifle was an assault weapon. In World War One Germany complained that pump shotguns, or trench guns, were inhumane. On and on it goes; protests by those who would appear on the surface to be reasonable, but the ulterior motive is to rule those who they consider their lessers. Firearms, specifically possessing and being proficient with the most modern technological versions, is the preventative to that.

Those of us who wield quotes like batons in a weak attempt to create division do not understand the difference between unity and unanimity. I may be aligned with someone with whom I do not completely agree. Not understanding that is a symptom of totalitarian thinking, and repelling totalitarianism is the fight we've been fighting since the American Revolution.

Mike G
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http://dailycaller.com/2018

http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/26/kill-nra-billboard-dana-loesch-response/

Dana Loesch is a good spokesman for the NRA. She would not cower behind the cruiser in the parking lot.

Knucklehead, well said

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Enough of this debate about

Enough of this debate about what a Assault Rifle is or not.
Keep it simple and stop the rationalizations.
If it looks like what GI Joe is carrying on the news tonight, it is an assault rifle, or a damn good facsimile of one !
I know about them I carried one, fired one ,for the intended purpose. Yup
it looked just like the one I carried.

Ok if you hunt with one and need that 30 round mag .guess what, you need better marksmanship !

No ! I do not favor bans nor favor the BS being spewed .

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Bruce

Bruce
Someone as smart as you should know that it is illegal in Maine to hunt with a magazine of more than 5 shots.
I know, as I often carry my AR when deer hunting.
It is one of the more comfortable guns to carry compared to some of the "crowbars" like the Remington model 81, as my dad called them.

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Tell me again how those

Tell me again how those enhanced guns law in Chicago have brought the murder rate to almost zero...........

Bruce Libby
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Ugenetoo

Ugenetoo
Yes, but that is one of many rationalizations used in debate.

At some point after on elf these events it should be realized that the commentary used by pro side doesn't relate and help .

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AAA members kill more people

AAA members kill more people than NRA members.

Watcher
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So do those who should be AA

So do those who should be AA member.

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I'd like to see a link for

I'd like to see a link for that one, Islander. I'll go one step further and guess more AARP members operating AAA vehicles . .

Meanwhile . . mass casualty, assault frying pans:

Hardin man accused of murder after frying pan assault

SOURCE

" . . According to court documents, one of the victims contacted the Big Horn County Sheriff’s office on Feb. 8 to report that she and two other women had been assaulted with a frying pan.

Deputies met with the victim and a witness at a home in Hardin. The witness reported that Brien had come over to the residence and bragged that he had “laid three girls out with a frying pan.”
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No mention of bump stocks or flash suppressors.

Mike G
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https://www.youtube.com/watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAN4g66RFug

Link to interview with Parkland teacher. There was supposed to be a code red school drill on the day of the actual shooting?

This may explain why Broward sheriff's did not enter building, it was all a drill?

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Strange, the sheriff never

Strange, the sheriff never mentioned it, nor did anyone else. But a convenient excuse if ever there was one

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Here’s something I’ve

Here’s something I’ve wondered about .How did the shooter manage to kill and wound all of those students and the just drop his gun and mix in and walk out with the rest of the students? Is there video of him ?

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There was a fire drill prior

There was a fire drill prior to shooting .
Code Red proboably equates to fire.

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Johnw

Johnw
I wondered that too, but after thinking about it I came to the conclusion that it was quite plausible.
Only the handful of people that saw him put the gun down would have recognized him as the shooter.
They were so terrified that they wouldn't recognize him, even five minutes later.

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So Bruce ,the shooter pulled

So Bruce ,the shooter pulled the alarm ,started shooting.... stopped shooting and just walked out with the rest and no one saw him or said anything ..?? Weird.

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