Convicted Murderer Makes Third Escape

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Convicted Murderer Makes Third Escape

This story was just covered on Fox News.

Escaped murderer had broken out of prison twice before, triggered manhunt

Details of the story - https://www.pressherald.com/2018/09/14/convicted-murderer-escapes-from-p...

Fox also included the fact that this is his 3rd escape. Across the country people must be wondering, as do I, if Maine has any maximum security prisons and why he wasn't in one?

After reading this story I am appalled at the seeming lack of common sense used in dealing with this guy. Who is running the show?

Bruce, this may be your cue. Thank you.

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I saw somewhere that this guy

This guy was scheduled to be released in about a year.

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Yes ,Tom it is but Sunday]]ow

Yes ,Tom it is but Sunday as I just got out of hospital after a small A Fib event.

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Get well quick, buddy.

Get well quick, buddy.

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Bruce, I'm glad to see your

Bruce, I'm glad to see your post included the word "small". Wishing you well, and we look forward to hearing from you.

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Hang in there, guy!

Hang in there, guy!

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Bruce get well we need you in

Bruce get well we need you in the fight.

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Get well Bruce.

Get well Bruce.

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My best wishes too Bruce

My best wishes too Bruce

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Get better, Bruce!

Get better, Bruce!

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First a thank you for all

First a thank you for all your words and wishes . They are all very much appreciated.

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A. Nash is a very poor

A. Nash is a very poor criminal who is far from being a criminal master mind. As far as dealing with him at Windham he was a easy inmate to deal with who worked and was not a discipline problem. Both his previous escapes they are best characterized as unplanned acts of lack of impulse control IMO.
A common element for escapes t the time.
I am not sure about the murder e

Except nothing surprises, but it is always possible .
Fast for ward to 2018 why was he at CCF. Here In my opinion are some factors.
Classification of inmates .
Various performance standards are scored and deceisions are made.

Inmate counts.
As years have gone by bed space has become limited and of course expensive.

The taxpayers were promised a 1500 bed prison to replace Thomaston. After construction started costs increased and in the end we got 960 beds depending on what story is told. Cost rose due to the fact of the site work required removal of a huge amount of ledge on the site!
Please do not be shocked but their is ledge on the coast of Maine.

Budgets
The Gov. IMO failed to rein in costs early on and as with most govs. didn't really know what to do with prisons. Costs were cut by bringing in a " expert"
commissioner who was a total dick head NY city Jail system has fired him after he left Maine. That lead to the promotion of Fitzpatrick who is a psycho;ogist.
Of course thy were going to introduce a "new way to deal with prisoners. , the new corrections. No one really knows what at is even those doing it. When you need a bed you make a choice Nash was one of them.. A alleged low risk move to make a bed. l guarantee if you saw he files which no one is going to you would see no one objected.

I know some will mock this but here is how, I would have dealt with him,
Arnold do you really want to get out? Is being transferred in your best interests ?
Your setting yourself up to fail ,a new temintation,which I doubt you will be able to resist.

To the administration I would reinforce these aspects to them and say absolutely no !
Just because any inmate makes all the correct steps doesn't make them a candidate to place them in that temptation.
Also risking the public safety.

There is no f_ _ _ ing way he should have been sent there. Professional judgement would tell any experienced officer that,trouble is they have drummed that
out of system making sure experience isn't respected nor knowledge passed on. They will come up with all sorts of reasons why the risk was acceptable.

Right now hopefully he is hiding away somewhere getting drunk and laid two major motivators.
Rest assured he is laughing his butt off.

If charged he faces and additional 5 years a judge will not bite give 1 to 3 realize whose fault it is.

The system head will never take any responsibility.

It runs on shit luck. Some day that luck will run out.

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"There is no f_ _ _ ing way

"There is no f_ _ _ ing way he should have been sent there. Professional judgement would tell any experienced officer that,trouble is they have drummed that
out of system making sure experience isn't respected nor knowledge passed on. They will come up with all sorts of reasons why the risk was acceptable."

Ah, the heart of the matter, much as I expected. Thank you, Bruce.

The former and new commissioners have only weakened the system rather than maintain or improve it.

This is akin to the thinking used by the judge who released the 77-year old who recently murdered the woman on the street in Lewiston in front of her children.

They all should be ashamed of themselves; drawing tax-funded salaries and giving us this kind of result.

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Everybody deserves a fifth,

Everybody deserves a fifth, or seventh, or whatever chance.

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Some at some point are worth

Some at some point are worth the risk , their is always a risk factor, they will tell you that, but they will have all of data to show why that was was worth it,
justifying their actions What could go wrong ?

The system to have ney sayors about such things and shown to be wrong they have to be willing to accept they were wrong.
Today that is a rare thing.
Corrrections is not a precise science it is in fact at best a messy rough thing that to most looks like hell , but can be successful. .

Yeas ago when Fitzpatrick worked at MCC ,on a Friday evening ,he was trying to leave for a dinner out with his wife.
A old veteran had gone paranoid which could require special precautions and xtra staff and paper work!
A Dr, F. was about to do his thing I asked what the probem was? Inmate said his tobacco had been poisoned !!
Dr.F. said we had to do his thing,I interjected ,no we can solve this. Officer go in his room bring out all of his tobacco . Out in hall office I produced the MCC test equipment ( actually small hand held metal detector) . I explained to inmate I would test his tobacco , Told him it would make a noise and stop if problem found! Three tests and ,inmate agreed his tobacco was ok. DR . F grown and left to his dinner date ! In true fashion my bosses argued all weekend about reporting to central office the incident,they did ,Comm. Allen (the last real comm,. we had )got a laugh said good job .
DR. Fitzpatrick would deny that and has forgotten it.

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Some of the greatest mass

Some of the greatest mass murderers are allowed to roam the nation, bake blueberry pies, work on their ranches in Texas or play golf badly in Hawaii, this guy is probably a sweet heart compared to them.

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Bluejay

Bluejay
Well said and very true

In retrospect CCF and DCF were both a means of getting cheap beds for little tax payer funds ( not bonded) and allowed
incarceration of offenders in appropriate setting w/ little risk , thus saving more expensive beds for other needs.
CCF should never been used to hold inmates who were with obvious risk factors to make bed for others !

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... always a risk factor,

... always a risk factor, they will tell you that, but they will have all of data to show why that was was worth it, justifying their actions.

And you are right, Bruce.

This just now - Escaped murderer was not seen as a threat to flee prison

https://bangordailynews.com/2018/09/17/news/augusta/escaped-murderer-was...

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See at DCF here was a fence.

See at DCF here was a fence. A traditional safety blanket for staff/public as well as a inmate.
At CCF there was pine trees which were temptation

Saw many go to CCF saw many come back to MCC where we had a fence had many inmate say they could not take freedom represented by pine trees.

Sad thing is we will prosecute Nash for escape , for putting civilians at risk they will assume no responsibility.

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I'd suspect he want's to be

I'd suspect he want's to be prosecuted for escape, probably enjoys the free room and board, I only got a year of free board, good grief. Get a quick vacation, see a few friends and then turn himself in, ahh the good life.

The ole Shawshank Redemption scenario, why wasn't he chained to his death bed like Irwin Schiff?

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Hey, Bruce; I'm having a bit

Hey, Bruce; I'm having a bit of abbreviation overload, if you know what I mean.

Could you give us a basic guide, please?

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DCF Downeast Correctional

DCF Downeast Correctional
CCF Charleston Correctional

Historically these were both former Airforce radar stations.
Charleston was a Sage Dew line base in 50's to 70..

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Returned safely to the

Returned safely to the protective nest of the correctional system. Hopefully got drunk, laid and high during his respite.

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Or before .

Or before .

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Hey Bruce how are you doing?

Hey Bruce how are you doing?

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Ok thank Mark.

Ok thanks Mark.

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